As long as you don’t advertise an open dump and pump group that will be fine. Heck you could promote a pump and dump as long as you do it private. You can say whatever you want, do whatever you want with your own money.
If you buy btcz and it dumps but you know in years your investment will be 1000x why would you worry about today prices or the action of other in open markets. When you sign up to crypto you know that pump and dump group will be there. You want to silence people, have a safe place where no one expeculates about price, go somewhere else where your fefes won’t be hurt
You want to silence people because you bought at 115 satoshis and now the price is 25. Grow up and buy now. Heck let it drop just now to 1 satoshi so that I can have more. If you bought at $.09 your are welcome, we’re two there, but I also bought at $.0025 but I am not complaining and tried to silence people just because my portafolio is losing 39%
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I’m not talking about silencing anyone complaining about current prices, I’m trying to stop the scammy price predictions and speculation that cause distrust and exchanges to pass over us. Like it or not the promising or even suggestion of future prices is a practice that is a red flag causing individuals and exchanges to overlook btcz.
This is a complete non-issue. Ppl that are shouting ‘WHEN LAMBO’, or ‘BTCZ should be 100$’ are FREE to do so imho… As long as ‘WHEN LAMBO’ is not the official slogan of btcz, i’m fine with it.
Freedom of speech was the first thing the US amended to the constitution, so I presume it’s important… but apparently not for the BTCZ community (or is it Commune?)
We discussed this topic with Renuzit, and its much more complex then what is mentioned in the proposal. Its against descructive behaviours at all (which part is price prediction spams).
Now Im able to vote yes against the Destructivity.
Hmm every once in a while came to my mind how RPGs work greatly in Decentralization! Yes they are, think they have mostly two group light power (BitcoinZ) vs Dark power. Powers works together on their own goal to get over on the other, but each of every member separatedly by His, Her own Freedom.
So what was a great solution I saw at an RPG game related to this problem is its punishment system.
If someone lightly broke the rule, he/ she got kicked (0sec).
If broke the rule hard got an admin jail (30min-3hours).
Admin jail is a separated room for hard law breakers.
Have to push buttons at keyboard there continuously, because the time is only decreasing by seconds if buttons were continuously pressed, but in random certain times the actual clock freeze and you get a task to repeat / rewrite random paragraph sentece(s) (for example: You keep every member in respect.)
If you missed a character your jail time increased by some more seconds. If you wrote well, your time decreased by 5 sec. After that time again moved on and you had to press buttons again.
So its a good way to leave freedom by letting him- her fix his/ her situation and to lear rules (whitepaper in our case) better.
Hacks or scam or any more harmful act could gain permanent ban.
Perm bans could be unveiled by a sorrowing wroten letter + 3hours jail penalty.
This punishment system was meant for every law breaker, admins aswell. So its an equality treat.
How can you question whether BTCZ is a community? You’re reading a proposal by a community member that’s being voted on and discussed. What would make it more of a community?
Not a bad idea… We can create a new channel, “unsanctioned chatter” 
I know for a fact @renuzit as well as plenty of others have been here from when the price was 0 – through highs and lows. The price of BTCZ doesn’t phase us, we only care about the community and the image of BTCZ. Please try to be more composed in your responses. There’s no reason for you to attack anyone. Everyone has equal rights to create a proposal.
With that being said, @renuzit would you be willing to change the wording so it’s more clear what exactly we want to make ban worthy – that doesn’t infringe on basic rights? I wholeheartedly agree that scamming is ban-worthy but I’m not OK with banning people just for talking about future potential, or hopes and dreams.
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When I say that btcz could reach $20 for coin, I am expeculating in the price. In the pass btc when each Bitcoin was $200 people were saying hold, hold Bitcoin will hit $10,000. That was a expeculating, not a scam or scammers trying to get your money. It actually happened.
BY TO WAY BTCZ COULD ACTUALLY HIT $20 A COIN. IT IS A POSSIBILITY. BUT ONLY TIME WILL TELL. BUT $1 FOR COIN IT IS ACTUALLY A REASONABLE PRICE HIT. AND I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT CAN TAKE ZCASH AND ALL THE COINS THAT HAVE A Z IN THEIR NAMES. ALSO THE PRIVATE COIN. BTCZ IS BEST BECAUSE THIS COIN STARTED JUST LIKE BITCOIN DID FROM ZERO. AND EVEN BETTER BECAUSE SATOSHIS WHITE PAPER IDEAS ARE IMPRINTED IN THIS COIN. Well thanks.
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Yes, I am open to any rewording. How would you like it reworded? Can you markup the original post?
This is ridiculous.
I speculate the price of BTCZ will fluctuate continually from this point onwards.
I absolutely agree with the sentiment but not so much the censorship.
I think this is more about education. As a community we need to educate our members and tell them why statements like those listed (and any other ‘destructive’ behaviour) are bad for btcz especially when they are on public social media channels.
I don’t think we should be banning anyone but we can politely ask them to stop and then educate as above but if they choose not to, there should be no repercussions.
Maybe we can have some “official guidelines” posted on the site/forum and direct exchanges and new investors to those guidelines.
If someone chooses not to listen then so be it, they are free to do what they like but if we have our official guidelines posted and made public then exchanges/new investors will see that this person is acting against those guidelines and will not hold it against the rest of the community.
Just to give an example of what I mean above.
So I work in a bank. Now after all the recent fiascos regarding market manipulation etc etc, the regulators are clamping down. Now the bank can’t stop any employee from doing these illicit activities and now when it does happen and the regulators step in, the bank needs to prove that it had the processes in place and had educated its staff against this activity in order to avoid a fine. So the bank has taken reasonable steps, educated staff and put in relevant processes so can’t be held accountable for the actions of a sole individual who ignored all that.
Apply same principle to this scenario.
To break it down.
- have some official guidelines to educate the community.
- point exchanges to the official guidelines to show we are serious and are taking reasonable steps to stop this destructive behaviour
- people can do what they like but exchanges won’t hold it against the community for a lone individuals actions due to the above.
I have voted yes but as mentioned earlier don’t believe that anyone should be banned or anything and think the above is the best way to go with this.
@renuzit would be great to hear your thoughts on the above.
@Akta86 What do you do when education doesn’t work? We’ve repeatedly tried to educate and warn the most flagrant offenders, but they do not listen. Banning them from the community is the only option.
Then you discredit them. So anything they say is put down to the ramblings of a madman. Works for government. Haha.
On a serious note, we could just scan twitter etc and identify and report posts which do not fall within guidelines as spam. Enough of us do it eventually it will stop.
Also if we do go down the banning route, how do you ban someone on twitter? Also there is no stopping someone registering with a different email id and continuing.
I support the idea that BTCZ price speculation should not be allowed “all over the place”, It’s trashy and counterproductive for the community. For this reason I voted ''Yes".
However, there could be a Forum topic and or a Discord channel specifically for ‘Speculation About BTCZ Price’. Cooperative posters would use it voluntarily. Non-cooperative posters could find their posts moved from elsewhere into that topic by an adrmin (or perhaps even a robot) w/o further ado.
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That’s actually a great idea. I’ll modify the proposal to say, “exept in areas where it has been designated”. Hopefully no one will mind this change???
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Thank you @renuzit. This was never about banning someone because we didn’t like their message. It was about spamming, pure and simple. I would not mind it if someone came in once a day and made a crazy prediction, but to take it to a level where the person is spamming with multiple posts each day, then it is just noise and not good for anyone. It belongs in a separate channel… and now its got one.
All will be good! You can to do investment))
I’m incredulous at this concept of banning someone for speculating on a price. “Except where it is designated to do so”… what? If someone is all worried about price speculation they are gonna go right to where price is being speculated to see what is going on then get all freaked because folks are speculating on a price! hehehe Are you really gonna buy or sell because some bloke says the price is gonna go up or down or sideways?! Who cares what someone thinks the price might do? If some exchange doesn’t like price speculation tell 'em to find another coin. BTCZ is a good project and if someone can recognize that it will do them good, it will be it’s own reward. What is it about folks who aren’t able to use their head and make a good decision? Do they really need to be protected from what someone else might say about the price of a widget? This is nonsense! As for those who say “I don’t like the proposal but voted for it” I say what are you thinking? You voted for something you don’t like and now something you don’t like is going to be implemented. I guess some really do need to be protected from themselves for making bad decisions.
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